PLEASE NOTE: This interview originally aired on Sounds True One, where you can enjoy early, ad-free access to episodes of Insights at the Edge. Sounds True One is our premium membership platform built around live classes, online events, award-winning specials, intimate learning experiences and Q&A sessions with the world's leading wisdom teachers. Get your first month FREE at https://bit.ly/4ctecMn What does it take to keep hoping when hope keeps breaking your heart? In this episode, Tami Simon speaks with Marisa Renée Lee — award-winning author, Harvard graduate, former Obama White House deputy director, and CEO of Beacon Advisors — about her new book, Waiting for Dawn: Living with Uncertainty. Drawing on her own two-year journey through long COVID and her work as an advocate for grief and social healing, Marisa offers a clear-eyed, deeply personal guide to enduring the unwanted seasons of life. Together, they explore: ·Why uncertainty isn't a crisis to be solved but a season to be navigated — with honesty, self-compassion, and the courage to ask for help ·How long COVID stripped away Marisa's surface-level identity and forced her to discover what was truly immutable in her ·The science and spirituality of hope — and why a ruthless commitment to it requires both trust and action "Inherited hope": drawing on the courage of ancestors and those who came before us ·Why meaning-making isn't required — and the harm in pressuring people to turn their worst pain into a lesson ·The role of endurance, humility, and impermanence (from the 23rd Psalm to Buddhist teaching) in waiting for dawn ·How to identify your own "arbiters of hope" when doubt and hope are running neck and neck ·Whether you're in the thick of a hard season right now or supporting someone who is, Marisa's wisdom — earned the hard way — will help you find your footing. #MarisaReneeLee #WaitingForDawn #GriefIsLove #Hope #Uncertainty #InsightsAtTheEdge #SoundsTrue #LongCOVID #Grief #personaltransformation ABOUT INSIGHTS AT THE EDGE: Insights at the Edge is Sounds True's flagship podcast hosted by founder Tami Simon. For over 20 years, Tami has interviewed leading spiritual teachers, authors, and thought leaders, exploring the growing edge of human consciousness and transformation. New episodes release biweekly. Subscribe to Sounds True's YouTube Channel ► https://bit.ly/SubscribeSTYT Sounds True is a mission-driven learning and media company, and a recognized leader in wellbeing, personal growth, and spiritual transformation. Partnering with the world’s foremost wisdom teachers and best-selling authors, the company reaches millions worldwide with its unique programs, digital learning experiences, and worldwide events. The company also features a variety of original series, weekly shows, and live online experiences on Sounds True One, its global platform and community with members across more than 125 countries. Sounds True is a Public Benefit Corporation and also the home of the Sounds True Foundation. Connect with us: ▪️Facebook: http://bit.ly/2XFIIeE ▪️Instagram: http://bit.ly/2UlEoiH ▪️Website: http://bit.ly/2tOl02d