Hi Everyone, 

The recent statement by Dr. Eric Davis regarding the Jimmy Carter UFO Briefing of June 1977 prompted my video for Youtube the other day, and also this discussion I had again with Allan Lavigne. 

Allan, as many of you recall, was an active member of APRO during the late 1970s, knowing Jim and Coral Lorenzen very well. In a previous interview of ours, he also discussed the matter of the UFO Exhibition of 1978 and 1979 as something that he had reason to believe originated from the Carter White House. 

This is not a confirmed element of our history, but Allan makes his case. His reasoning is that the project was far too large, too expensive, and too oddly structured to make sense as a normal commercial undertaking. Moreover, the funding was opaque, APRO was being paid to create serious exhibits for it, and Jim Lorenzen explicitly told him that “the administration” wanted to reveal the history of UFOs, the government, the Air Force, and NASA to the public in a “big reveal.” 

Why would a civilian organization like APRO have such knowledge? Allan believes there were far deeper connections of APRO to the U.S. Government. Ultimately, Allan argues that the plan may not have been merely to house exhibits in Minneapolis, but to use the Bicentennial train model as a way to move the displays across the country under high security, showing the public the evidence directly.

For Allan, the decisive point is that Jim Lorenzen was not speaking as a fantasist or outsider, but as someone Allan believed had deep government and intelligence connections through APRO’s long, unusual relationship with military and intelligence circles.

This would make the exhibit essentially a staging ground or warehouse for a national Carter-era disclosure rollout that never fully came to fruition.

It’s a fascinating possibility. The more I hear him tell this account, the more I am inclined to think it happened just that way. At any rate, this was a fascinating conversation. I hope you enjoy. 

And a big thanks to Allan for taking his time to do this one.

Richard