This comes a day after an order to shoot down drones over military bases

Drone incursions are real, but yet again we are being told there are drones without any actual evidence of drones. We know from past experience that in similar situations, the majority, if not all, of the reports are misidentifications.

Can anyone find video of the Belgian "drones"?

Three video here:
https://www.hln.be/nieuws/luchtruim...t-boven-kleine-brogel-en-florennes~a33d096f7/

Not much use without DTLDs, and rather ambiguous. All we have here is:

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Other than to point out that none of them clearly show a drone. Again.

The top video is apparently near Kleine-Brogel Air Force Base.

There's a flat topped frustum shaped tower (possibly an old windmill?) in the 1st half and a probably phone mast in the second half, of what looks to be 2 videos edited together.

So a pretty hard geo challenge there.

Nothing in the videos seems different from normal air traffic.

It's a plane, at an airport, the world has gone mad

50°53'55.15"N 4°29'22.93"E

Video possibly taken from this location

Where is this hangar/large building?

Its in the blanked out area ...

The flights seem to stop shortly after this military helicopter does a few orbits over the same part of the airfield, but the ADSB data is a bit sketchy...

This is a video of the same helicopter's lights at night....

Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vN6K1BMPv4U

Might be a better track in FR24 oh its mil so no track

We've seen helicopters sent to find the drones, so could be the cause or could be a symptom..

That one is too high. G-16 helicopter in red, your suggestion in Grey...

I tend to agree that it looks like a plane but the thick glass and multiple internal reflections are playing with my brain.

I think it's a Helo
It seems to do a turn that a helo could

At the start of the video we see the red position light indicating the aircraft is showing us it's left side

Then later on we see green indicating we are now seeing the right side, the turn seems to happen around 21-22 seconds in, scrub the video back and forth to see what I mean.

The MLAT track is really spotty during the phases the aircraft performs such a turn though,

Here's another video of that helicopter... the lights flash pattern is a close match for out 'drone'..

Source: https://youtu.be/qZbZLsX3nz8?t=20

On a side note - Helicopter has my favourite etymology of any word. Most people think it is made up of two words heli and copter, but its actually made up of helico and pter from the Greek words that mean spiral (as in helix) and wing (as in pterodactyl).

I dont think that's quite right. The video seems to show a turn to the left, but the ADSB shows turns to the right. However, with it being MLAT the ADSB is particularly gappy, and the last part could be missing. Also, as this aircraft isn't on FlightRadar24 it might help explain why it created a drone report as someone who saw it could say "I checked FlightRadar24 and there wasn't any aircraft at the time, so it must be a drone!"

Okay how do you get the time stamps to show on the tracks in ADSB-Exchange?

"K" button

At the start of the video the aircraft is moving right to left and we see a red position light indicating we are seeing the left side of the aircraft, then it performs a turn and we see a green position light, this to me indicates a turn to the right...

I've always been bad at position lights tho, so I might be going mad..

@jarlrmai You're correct. Even better than that, if you watch the video closely we can initially see the red light on the horizontal stabilizer, and as it turns left the green light becomes visible as the aircraft is pointing directly towards the camera. But then quite quickly the red light disappears as the body of the helicopter obscures it.

100% with you on that one. You'll find more examples if you look under the right lampposts - lepidopterist, for example (& hymenoptera, ...) - and, if you've got the kind of lens that recognises how p > f and t > th (e.g. 'pater' > 'father'), you might even see a connection between 'pter' and 'feather' (a satisfying deduction, but as far as I know still unattested).

And, as surely as "fly" is etymologically related to "flow", you'll even see the same ancient root in the Potomac. (But note that when you're reaching back that far in time you broaden scope to a fairly wide family tree: competition, appetite, symptom, ...).

Yes. Thats why I said in post #26 that I think this is a later part of the video.

Maybe at this time? Flightpath seems to be closer to the video

Oh I see. But I guess it could some some other drone observation

Two questions.
Can you often find helicopter etc. on adsbexchange.com when it's not on FR24?
How much is the price for historical data ?