Longtime UFO researcher Norio Hayakawa joins Martin Willis to explore whether UFO encounters could involve something other than physical extraterrestrial spacecraft. From his father’s reported 1947 sighting in Japan to the Socorro encounter and the mysteries of Dulce, Norio shares the experiences and research behind his unconventional perspective. Topics include his “paraphysical” theory, government secrecy and disclosure, the Farmington sightings, Fátima, Project Gasbuggy, and cattle mutilations. Martin offers questions and pushback throughout a conversation that examines the distinction between witness reports, personal beliefs, and verifiable evidence.

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